Today, Im going to rant a bit about tier tokens.
I have a bit of a love-hate relationship with these lil’ buggers. Love to have em, hate the way blizzard seems to drop one that cant be used by our raid makeups.
Perhaps its raid composition, perhaps it’s the groups lumped into who can roll for each tier token – but most likely both.
Call it bad recruitment or raid makeup, but here is an example of one of our raids – last nights to be precise:
6 Death Knights (4 Blood, 2 Unholy)
5 Druids (2 Feral, 2 Boomkins, 1 Tree)
4 Rogues
1 Mage
3 Warriors (2 Prot, 1 Fury)
2 Shaman (Both Resto)
2 Paladins (1 Prot, 1 Holy)
1 Hunter
1 Priest (Holy)
It probably shows a decent distribution of the more popular classes in the game. DK, Druid and Rogue. We were lacking the sign ups to have a more varied group, so this is what we had to (quite successfully) roll with.
If you know the tier tokens you know exactly where this rant is heading…
3 Tier token types, 3 or 4 classes per token.
For some reason, the token that has 4 classes on rolls in Death Knights, Druids, Rogues and Mages. That’s 16/25 people in the group after the same tier tokens! In a more balanced raid group, this would not be a problem, but even in 10-mans we have this same distribution problem.
Whats worse, until a few of weeks ago we had no raiding Hunters, Paladins or Warlocks… and in the space of one week we seen 8 tier tokens drop. ALL CONQUEROR. (1 x 25 man OS, 2 x 10 man OS, 1x VOA and 2x 10man Naxx groups.)
I seriously wonder if it wasn’t a case of GM vengeance. Our guild leader put in a complaint after a couple of runs of seeing only these tokens drop when we didn’t have anyone that can use, and they just gave her the slopey shoulder “visit our forums!”. Whatever…
Anyway, I don’t know how other guilds raids are distributed but I think that they should consider splitting that “Of The Champion” (I think) tier token in two.
Its obvious DK’s in their overpowered state are going to be the most popular, and no raid group is ever going to get the perfect distribution of players unless they have 25 hand picked raiders in a raid guild and they’re always available. Druids seem to be everywhere just now, rogues were always popular purely because they are fun, and there are a number of mages about despite us seeming to have a defecit of raiding ones.
If its just us – then there are surely others in a similar position, even if it’s a different distribution of classes (say all hunters warlocks and paladins) in which case perhaps a more “class sensitive” drop rate would be appropriate. E.G if 50% of the raid is in token A’s roll range, 25% is in B’s and 25% is in C’s – then have that be the ratios in which the tokens drop… because having 100% on 8 items when theres 0% able to roll is retarded.
And yes… this is coming from someone who happens to have picked up most of his tier tokens almost first time every time they have dropped. (7.5 gloves + shoulders, seen the pants drop once and chest drop once.) So if you think im bitching cos Im not getting gear, thats not the case :p
On a lighter note… got a yummy chest piece off Heigan last night. Just hope the 7.5 chest is still an upgrade because its been an objective of mine to get the Full Frostfire set since the days of raiding Molten Core, and Ill cry if I have to roll over someone to downgrade into it :p.
I have a bit of a love-hate relationship with these lil’ buggers. Love to have em, hate the way blizzard seems to drop one that cant be used by our raid makeups.
Perhaps its raid composition, perhaps it’s the groups lumped into who can roll for each tier token – but most likely both.
Call it bad recruitment or raid makeup, but here is an example of one of our raids – last nights to be precise:
6 Death Knights (4 Blood, 2 Unholy)
5 Druids (2 Feral, 2 Boomkins, 1 Tree)
4 Rogues
1 Mage
3 Warriors (2 Prot, 1 Fury)
2 Shaman (Both Resto)
2 Paladins (1 Prot, 1 Holy)
1 Hunter
1 Priest (Holy)
It probably shows a decent distribution of the more popular classes in the game. DK, Druid and Rogue. We were lacking the sign ups to have a more varied group, so this is what we had to (quite successfully) roll with.
If you know the tier tokens you know exactly where this rant is heading…
3 Tier token types, 3 or 4 classes per token.
For some reason, the token that has 4 classes on rolls in Death Knights, Druids, Rogues and Mages. That’s 16/25 people in the group after the same tier tokens! In a more balanced raid group, this would not be a problem, but even in 10-mans we have this same distribution problem.
Whats worse, until a few of weeks ago we had no raiding Hunters, Paladins or Warlocks… and in the space of one week we seen 8 tier tokens drop. ALL CONQUEROR. (1 x 25 man OS, 2 x 10 man OS, 1x VOA and 2x 10man Naxx groups.)
I seriously wonder if it wasn’t a case of GM vengeance. Our guild leader put in a complaint after a couple of runs of seeing only these tokens drop when we didn’t have anyone that can use, and they just gave her the slopey shoulder “visit our forums!”. Whatever…
Anyway, I don’t know how other guilds raids are distributed but I think that they should consider splitting that “Of The Champion” (I think) tier token in two.
Its obvious DK’s in their overpowered state are going to be the most popular, and no raid group is ever going to get the perfect distribution of players unless they have 25 hand picked raiders in a raid guild and they’re always available. Druids seem to be everywhere just now, rogues were always popular purely because they are fun, and there are a number of mages about despite us seeming to have a defecit of raiding ones.
If its just us – then there are surely others in a similar position, even if it’s a different distribution of classes (say all hunters warlocks and paladins) in which case perhaps a more “class sensitive” drop rate would be appropriate. E.G if 50% of the raid is in token A’s roll range, 25% is in B’s and 25% is in C’s – then have that be the ratios in which the tokens drop… because having 100% on 8 items when theres 0% able to roll is retarded.
And yes… this is coming from someone who happens to have picked up most of his tier tokens almost first time every time they have dropped. (7.5 gloves + shoulders, seen the pants drop once and chest drop once.) So if you think im bitching cos Im not getting gear, thats not the case :p
On a lighter note… got a yummy chest piece off Heigan last night. Just hope the 7.5 chest is still an upgrade because its been an objective of mine to get the Full Frostfire set since the days of raiding Molten Core, and Ill cry if I have to roll over someone to downgrade into it :p.
-V
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